3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

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3 zone cymbals, Yamaha style. Do you want me to add support for them in MegaDrum?

I have both MegaDrum and Yamaha cymbals, please do it.
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I have Yamaha cymbal. Lack of Yamaha 3 zone cymbals support is a showstopper for building MegaDrum.
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I have MegaDrum. If you do it, I'll buy 3 zone cymbals Yamaha style.
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I have MegaDrum. I'll live happily without support for such cymbals.
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If you do it, I will rebuild all my DIY cymbals to have the Yamaha 3zone design.
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I have neither of them, only 2 (3 at most) persons have MegaDrum, your poll is stupid.
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Stop whining, just do it.
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

Postby EURO » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:58 pm

It would be great is somone could posts their succesful settings for a yamaha cy 155 here. I am having trouble setting mine up.
Last edited by EURO on Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

Postby shwems » Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:10 pm

kimouette wrote:
yamaha2.jpg

The above drawing shows what I was planning to do (use my cymbal as half of the switches, add a 10k resistor to the edge switch etc...). But I did a mistake while feeling too confident about the wiring :oops:
I have also grounded the bell switch
I have some pretty messed up signals in Midi-Ox, but before I start to sort out all these little problems one by one, I'd like to know if grounding the bell switch might be causing the messed up signal? If so, I guess I'll have to start over!


Please where can i find how to make the 2 switch please.

regards
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

Postby kimouette » Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:14 pm

If you're planning to convert and accoustic cymbal, you might wanna take a look at this thread :
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=810

By the way the design I've chosen is a "slightly modifed" version of elrule's tutorial (thanks to google translator!)
http://portal.batacas.com/index.php?vie ... &Itemid=74

In my case the conversion is finished but I have to put some bitumen tape or find another way to stabilize the cymbal cuz I get some messed up monitoring. My multimeter tells me the design is physically working, so now it's "only" a matter of stopping the vibration, setting up MD's parameters and BFD2 parameters as well... but since the past few weeks I didn't get much time on my own!! :x I'll try to fix everything as sooon as possible...

Unfortunately it seems like very few of us have actually converted their cymbal using the 3-zone Yamaha style, so there are not many tutorials/fonctional designs/fully tested ideas to find!
Feel free to join the club and help us out!! ;)

And otherwise you can also try to search in the DIY section of vdrums.com
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

Postby davem » Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:15 am

Okay, so I have one PCY-150S working fairly well, but I have a very strange problem with the edge... basically edge/choke is not working. But when I press down on the bell film switch, the choke enables?!? I've checked my other PCY-150S, works fine on the same input and cables etc, and tried different inputs too just to make sure it wasn't a MD problem. Anyone ever had this happen?
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

Postby shwems » Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:10 am

Thanks kimouette, i ll have a look for links you provide :)
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

Postby kurtus420 » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:58 pm

Dave, Have you tried to adjust your edge threshold higher with that cymbal?
davem wrote:Okay, so I have one PCY-150S working fairly well, but I have a very strange problem with the edge... basically edge/choke is not working. But when I press down on the bell film switch, the choke enables?!? I've checked my other PCY-150S, works fine on the same input and cables etc, and tried different inputs too just to make sure it wasn't a MD problem. Anyone ever had this happen?
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

Postby davem » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:55 am

kurtus420 wrote:Dave, Have you tried to adjust your edge threshold higher with that cymbal?
davem wrote:Okay, so I have one PCY-150S working fairly well, but I have a very strange problem with the edge... basically edge/choke is not working. But when I press down on the bell film switch, the choke enables?!? I've checked my other PCY-150S, works fine on the same input and cables etc, and tried different inputs too just to make sure it wasn't a MD problem. Anyone ever had this happen?


I hadn't tried that, no. I realised I was being a bit stupid. Even with my working PCY-150S pressing the film switch will make it choke since that's how the circuit is even designed :) On the good side... turns out there's nothing wrong with the cymbal after all. I'd noticed some oddness recently so reset to default settings and now things seem to be running a lot smoother.
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

Postby Espen » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:36 pm

So, are there some suggested parameters for the PCY-155 cymbal?
I've messed a while with one and couln't get the bell/edge separation. My current values are:

RideB Threshold: 20 (for to get good sensitivity)
RideB Gain: 8 (because all of my pads are quite hot anyway)
RideE Threshold: 60 (great separation between bow and edge)
RideE Gain: 8

Off course I have "RideB Dual Head: Yes" and "RideE Type: Switch" too.

Are there some other parameters that must be considered? The pot of the cymbal maybe? I have it as sensitive as it can be.
The problem is that when I change the value of BThreshold from 0 to 1, MD only sends the BNote for bell and edge.
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

Postby dmitri » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:05 pm

Espen wrote:So, are there some suggested parameters for the PCY-155 cymbal?
I've messed a while with one and couln't get the bell/edge separation. My current values are:

RideB Threshold: 20 (for to get good sensitivity)
RideB Gain: 8 (because all of my pads are quite hot anyway)

Raising the gain you're making a hot pad problem worse. For hot pads you really should lower Gain levels.

RideE Threshold: 60 (great separation between bow and edge)
RideE Gain: 8

You don't really need to raise Gain level for switch inputs. It only effects at which Threshold the switch is detected to make/break. With the Gain set to 4 (default) I get a perfect separation between the edge and the bell with Threshold set to 40 and BThreshold set to 20.


Off course I have "RideB Dual Head: Yes" and "RideE Type: Switch" too.

Are there some other parameters that must be considered? The pot of the cymbal maybe? I have it as sensitive as it can be.
The problem is that when I change the value of BThreshold from 0 to 1, MD only sends the BNote for bell and edge.

Is it really so? Without BThreshold set above 0 the bell won't work. What Threshold and BThreshold settings do you get if you follow http://www.megadrum.info/content/settin ... one-cymbal ?
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

Postby Espen » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:56 pm

dmitri wrote:Raising the gain you're making a hot pad problem worse. For hot pads you really should lower Gain levels.

No. I just meant that when the other pads are quite hot, ride should be equal in touch... you know.

You don't really need to raise Gain level for switch inputs. It only effects at which Threshold the switch is detected to make/break. With the Gain set to 4 (default) I get a perfect separation between the edge and the bell with Threshold set to 40 and BThreshold set to 20.

How did you adjust the potentiometer underside the cymbal? Is it crucial for the result?

Is it really so? Without BThreshold set above 0 the bell won't work. What Threshold and BThreshold settings do you get if you follow http://www.megadrum.info/content/settin ... one-cymbal ?

With those previous parameters I get:

RideE Threshold: 62
BThreshold: 5

But the problem is the same. MD just sends the BNote, not RideE Note at all. With BNote value 0 the separation between bow and edge works flawlessly again. So, what's next?
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