3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

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3 zone cymbals, Yamaha style. Do you want me to add support for them in MegaDrum?

I have both MegaDrum and Yamaha cymbals, please do it.
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I have Yamaha cymbal. Lack of Yamaha 3 zone cymbals support is a showstopper for building MegaDrum.
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9%
I have MegaDrum. If you do it, I'll buy 3 zone cymbals Yamaha style.
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I have MegaDrum. I'll live happily without support for such cymbals.
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If you do it, I will rebuild all my DIY cymbals to have the Yamaha 3zone design.
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I have neither of them, only 2 (3 at most) persons have MegaDrum, your poll is stupid.
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No votes
Stop whining, just do it.
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you nee

Postby dmitri » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:41 pm

Maylord.war wrote:All the three zone works good without problem of crosstalk , only if i decrease the resistor with voltage divider under the cymbal the hard hit in the bow send a some velocity signal in the edge channel, is a electromagnetic noise?

The edge/bow only trigger when a corresponding switch is shorted, electromagnetic noise cannot trigger them. My guess is that hard hits on the bow cause the edge switch to make/break because of vibration.
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you nee

Postby Maylord.war » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:17 pm

Hi Dmitri thanks for your reply.

I believe it is not a problem from a physical "communication" because i've removed all the rubber from the pad and the problem is the same.

Only turning the trimmer in halfway or near the " - " symbol the rim/edge note disappear , the only solution for now is to raise the gain to 4 or 5 and decrease the threshold level to 10

An high Peak signal from Piezo can be interfere with other channel of the same MUX ?

I'm waiting if other users have the same problem, you still have your PCY135? You can do some tests with it by raising or lowering the resistance value with trimmer? thanks.
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you nee

Postby dmitri » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:23 pm

Maylord.war wrote:Hi Dmitri thanks for your reply.

I believe it is not a problem from a physical "communication" because i've removed all the rubber from the pad and the problem is the same.

Only turning the trimmer in halfway or near the " - " symbol the rim/edge note disappear , the only solution for now is to raise the gain to 4 or 5 and decrease the threshold level to 10

Are you talking about a voltage divider? Did you solder it correctly?

An high Peak signal from Piezo can be interfere with other channel of the same MUX ?

Only by electromagnetic interference.

I'm waiting if other users have the same problem, you still have your PCY135? You can do some tests with it by raising or lowering the resistance value with trimmer? thanks.

I have a PCY135 and I don't use any voltage dividers. I don't get any false triggering on the edge however hard I hit the bow.
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you nee

Postby Maylord.war » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:17 pm

Sorry, i'm talking about the VR1 , the orange resistor trimmer under the cymbal pad.

I use shielded cable, what are other solution to contrast the electromagnetic interference?

In your pcy135 which is setting/position of pot use to adjust the piezo sensivity?

And for last the pad in which module kit is connected?

In this SMD package version ?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1392

Or in this type of version?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=266

Thanks a lot
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you nee

Postby dmitri » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:38 pm

Maylord.war wrote:Sorry, i'm talking about the VR1 , the orange resistor trimmer under the cymbal pad.

Oops, didn't even know there was a built in trimpot! Turned out it was set to maximum all the time. Even when set to maximum the cymbal is very far from being "hot" so no need to turn the trimpot down. Anyway, I just tested it with the trimpot set to minimum and still no false triggering on the edge even when hitting the the bow very hard.

I use shielded cable, what are other solution to contrast the electromagnetic interference?

Check the soldering quality on your board.

In your pcy135 which is setting/position of pot use to adjust the piezo sensivity?

As I said above it was set to maximum all the time but I tested the cymbal with the trimpot set to minimum.

And for last the pad in which module kit is connected?

In this SMD package version ?

http://www.megadrum.info/forums/viewtop ... f=3&t=1392

Or in this type of version?

http://www.megadrum.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=266

Sorry, I don't understand the question.
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you nee

Postby Maylord.war » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:12 pm

Thanks for your answers. :D

For the last question i would know which Megadrum module version you use with the PCY pad. Previously i've posted two link about two different version of Megadrum module, I think are different because the first link is 32input single side and the second is double side with SMD component.

For example i have tested my pad with the synthex v3.2 kit, and you?

I'm sure in this case not are a problem of settings but on the Pcb board/solder quality.

Sorry for this misunderstanding :oops:

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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you nee

Postby dmitri » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:30 pm

I've tested it with an SMD board which I use in kits and modules but I don't think it matters.
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you nee

Postby Maylord.war » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:36 pm

Thanks a lot dmitri. :)
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you nee

Postby everson » Fri May 04, 2012 10:33 pm

dmitri, could you post your settings for pcy135?
I followed the configuration hints, but what I got is: wherever I hit it - it gets choked. :shock:
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Re: 3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you nee

Postby dmitri » Fri May 04, 2012 11:06 pm

Here are the settings for the Ride input to load with MDM:
pcy135.zip


I only set HighLevels, Thresholds and Notes to get separation between 3 zones. I didn't touch any 'dynamics' settings and of course you may want other notes set to trigger desired sounds.
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