Inconstant triggering on Megadrum

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Inconstant triggering on Megadrum

Postby coralgol » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:49 pm

Hello!

I built my Megadrum last year. I was happy with the module and my diy pads, until I played Roland Kit in a music store. The triggering was excellent there. It was a big difference as against to the md module.I thought the weak components would be my self made pads. But I bought some Roland PD8 Pads and the results were still not very good on the megadrum. Firstly the mid dynamic range is very bad, as a result that the strokes are not consistent. It seems to me that it produces a lot of random strokes there. Secondly there are double trigger problems(the notes are very close together, it sounds like a flanger effect), especially if you play loud. I researched in other forums and I found out that I'm not the only one with these problems.

With this handicaps, the md module has no chance to be an alternative to the Roland td20/30. Unfortunately it's still a big
difference between this modules in terms of triggering. It would be great if dmitri could solve this problems with a firmware update, to be a real td30 replacement.

Thank you.
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Re: Inconstant triggering on Megadrum

Postby angr77 » Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:30 am

Hi!

Would you mind to share your MegaDRUM settings for the PD-8?

I would like to verify this...

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Re: Inconstant triggering on Megadrum

Postby coralgol » Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:09 pm

angr77 wrote:Hi!

Would you mind to share your MegaDRUM settings for the PD-8?

I would like to verify this...

Best Regards

Anders


I almost tried every setting (with and without voltage divider) and these problems still exists. Im pretty sure it's Megadrums fault. But here are my last settings:

Curve: Linear
Threshold: 8
Gain: 2
HighLevel: 1023
Retrigger: 2

Rest are standard settings.
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Re: Inconstant triggering on Megadrum

Postby angr77 » Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:22 pm

Great.

I have a couple of PD8s...but i have never tried them on my MegaDrum. I would like to test it out to verify your findings.

When you say "standard"...how does your dynamic level and time parameters look like?

Please also tell me which firmware you are running on.

Best Regards

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Re: Inconstant triggering on Megadrum

Postby coralgol » Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:32 pm

DynLevel: 12
DynTime: 24
Minscan: 20

Firmware is: 20111213
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Re: Inconstant triggering on Megadrum

Postby dmitri » Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:38 pm

coralgol wrote:Hello!
Firstly the mid dynamic range is very bad, as a result that the strokes are not consistent.

This points that your pads are too hot.

It seems to me that it produces a lot of random strokes there. Secondly there are double trigger problems(the notes are very close together, it sounds like a flanger effect), especially if you play loud. I researched in other forums and I found out that I'm not the only one with these problems.

Please, post the links to the topics with the same problem. And if the problem is the same, why don't you post in those topics?

With this handicaps, the md module has no chance to be an alternative to the Roland td20/30. Unfortunately it's still a big
difference between this modules in terms of triggering.

Of course there will be big difference unless your dialed in settings for your particular pads.

coralgol wrote:I almost tried every setting (with and without voltage divider) and these problems still exists.

You could not possibly try every setting - if you try all of them at random it will take you the age of the universe.

Im pretty sure it's Megadrums fault. But here are my last settings:

Curve: Linear
Threshold: 8
Gain: 2
HighLevel: 1023
Retrigger: 2

Rest are standard settings.

If you're sure it's MegaDrum's fault, and you've tried all of them why bother posting any settings?
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Re: Inconstant triggering on Megadrum

Postby coralgol » Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:28 pm

dmitri wrote:
coralgol wrote:Hello!
Firstly the mid dynamic range is very bad, as a result that the strokes are not consistent.

This points that your pads are too hot.


No they are not, because I used a voltage divider, too. This settings are without.

dmitri wrote:
coralgol wrote:It seems to me that it produces a lot of random strokes there. Secondly there are double trigger problems(the notes are very close together, it sounds like a flanger effect), especially if you play loud. I researched in other forums and I found out that I'm not the only one with these problems.

Please, post the links to the topics with the same problem. And if the problem is the same, why don't you post in those topics?


http://www.drummerforum.de/forum/67851- ... 8a952f7e45

dmitri wrote:
coralgol wrote:With this handicaps, the md module has no chance to be an alternative to the Roland td20/30. Unfortunately it's still a big
difference between this modules in terms of triggering.

Of course there will be big difference unless your dialed in settings for your particular pads.


coralgol wrote:
dmitri wrote:I almost tried every setting (with and without voltage divider) and these problems still exists.

You could not possibly try every setting - if you try all of them at random it will take you the age of the universe.


I tried to imitate the feeling of the roland kit, therefore has to be the Threshold and Retrigger as low as possible anyway.
With the voltage divider I set the HighLevel value between 200-300 like you in the description said. In the Drummerforum the people told me to experiment with the curves. I tried and I got the same problems. At the end I tried to lower and increase DynLevel, Dyntime and Minscan. No succes here. After that I tried to experiment further with the other settings of course (and that for hours).

The second thing is, that the people have the same problem. I watched a lot of Youtube Videos about Megadrum and I have not seen any video, that has good trigger results.

In this case i come to the conclusion, that it's megadrums fault. I dont try to make it look bad. I just hope you can prove the opposite with suggestions, or to make the algorithm better.
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Re: Inconstant triggering on Megadrum

Postby dmitri » Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:46 pm

coralgol wrote:The second thing is, that the people have the same problem. I watched a lot of Youtube Videos about Megadrum and I have not seen any video, that has good trigger results.

In this case i come to the conclusion, that it's megadrums fault.

Do you want to solve your problem or do you just want to make bold statements? I'm not going to knock on the closed door for too long.
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Re: Inconstant triggering on Megadrum

Postby coralgol » Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:10 pm

dmitri wrote:
coralgol wrote:The second thing is, that the people have the same problem. I watched a lot of Youtube Videos about Megadrum and I have not seen any video, that has good trigger results.

In this case i come to the conclusion, that it's megadrums fault.

Do you want to solve your problem or do you just want to make bold statements? I'm not going to knock on the closed door for too long.


Please read my whole post. Like I said I don't want to make bold statements. I have reasoned my oppinion.
My english is not very good, maybe I haven't formulated the right words. I just hope you can help.
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Re: Inconstant triggering on Megadrum

Postby everson » Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:13 pm

coralgol wrote:I watched a lot of Youtube Videos about Megadrum and I have not seen any video, that has good trigger results.


:D Please don`t tell me you found something wrong in ... this kit triggering?
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My kit: 6 DIY pads, CY5, PCY135, Hall sensor hihat, krigg - kick pedal trigger, megadrum
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