Any danish users from Copenhagen that made their MD work?

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Re: Any danish users from Copenhagen that made their MD work

Postby Theblackcat » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:44 pm

Thanks for getting to me!!

Have you watched the the video?

The velocity is all over the place, and I get the impression the sometimes when I hit the very center of the drum (the tip of the cone where the piezzo is mounted underneath) the signal is either very weak, or there is no signal..?

Been playing around with curves, compression, levelshift, head tension, coneheight, gain, highlevel, dyn time, dyn level, retrigger mask, threshold, but nothing seems to cure it?
Firstly I experienced the problem on my snare, and to make sure it wasn´t the trigger on the snare I tried messing around with a tom, and had the same problem!

Any ideas?

Thanks a bunch!!!!
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Re: Any danish users from Copenhagen that made their MD work

Postby airflamesred » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:28 pm

Yes I did watch the video, what high level have you got on the drum? Have we moved on from a successful configuration on the cymbals from the previous page?

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Re: Any danish users from Copenhagen that made their MD work

Postby Theblackcat » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:20 pm

Thanks for getting back to me!!

I tried anything from 200 to 1023, but right now I´m running highlevel 884.

At that point I was relying on the midilog solely (and, seeing great progress - a cymbal producing midi output, both from shoulder, bell and bow), it´s pretty hard to see if what is happening on the midilog is matching what you´re playing, so I installed Superior drummer, and the log matches the sounds coming from Superior drummer, but the velocity goes drastically up and down even though I´m playing consistently, and even at the same spot of the drum.
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Re: Any danish users from Copenhagen that made their MD work

Postby ignotus » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:45 am

Are your triggers DIY? If they are, could you detail how they're made? I ask because that problem with inconsistent triggering is often caused by an inadequate trigger assembly - wrong type of foam, piezo not allowed to flex properly, etc.
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Re: Any danish users from Copenhagen that made their MD work

Postby Theblackcat » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:18 am

I bought a whole set of these babies (not with the hex-cone, but with what was the best available when I bought ém - a regular cone) - http://ufodrums-com.3dcartstores.com/eB ... _p_12.html
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Re: Any danish users from Copenhagen that made their MD work

Postby dmitri » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:41 pm

A signal from a piezo on mesh type pads are of low frequency. As a result, to cover the whole first half wave with a peak you may need to increase MinScan.
I guess you use default MinScan 20. Set it to 60.
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Re: Any danish users from Copenhagen that made their MD work

Postby Theblackcat » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:19 pm

Tried both going lower and higher on the MinScan - I can tell by ear that velocity gets more accurate at higher values, but I still have a lot of fallouts (not registered hits). Could it somehow be because the signal from the piezo is too hot?
The fallouts intensify when I hit the drumstick directly on the center of the drum - on top for the cone! - and for that reason I tried lowering the foam cone inside the drum so it wouldn`t be as compressed when hitting it, and thereby not transferring as much force to the piezo. Also tried tensioning the head to even out the force being sent into the peizo - this helped getting closer to more natural and even velocities!
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Re: Any danish users from Copenhagen that made their MD work

Postby dmitri » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:32 pm

Missed hits may be a result of a too aggressive false triggering suppression. Too high Retrigger, DynLevel and DynTime. Set all of them to the minimums. Any missed hits after that (disregard false double/multiple triggering for now)?
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Re: Any danish users from Copenhagen that made their MD work

Postby Theblackcat » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:51 pm

That was also one of my thoughts, and I´ve set retrigger to 1 and MinScan to 10 but it don´t solve anything!!

Now I´ve installed a 100k trimpot hoping that it can be the output from the pieze that´s too hot!? But so far it still leaves me with unusable velocities and missing hits...?

All ideas are welcome!!!
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Re: Any danish users from Copenhagen that made their MD work

Postby dmitri » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:19 pm

Theblackcat wrote:That was also one of my thoughts, and I´ve set retrigger to 1 and MinScan to 10 but it don´t solve anything!!

What it doesn't solve? You still have missed hits and no double triggering? Did you set DynLevel and DynTime to their minimal values? Why did you lower MinScan to 10 when I suggested to raise it to 60? Please post the screenshot of settings and describe what the problem is with these particular settings.
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