MD config problems with yamaha dtx pads

[hurstaudio1]

Question about setting up the hh

you write in your hh config:

Next screen HiHat Pedal->LowLevel:
<HiHat Pedal >
LowLevel: 90

Set the low level of the pedal, when pedal is fully pressed. If set too low you may not be able to get fully closed HiHat pedal.
Next screen HiHat Pedal->HiLevel:
<HiHat Pedal >
HiLevel: 900

Set the high level of the pedal, when pedal is fully depressed. If set too high you may not be able to get fully open HiHat pedal.
You should adjust both low and high level so that the values were as far apart as possible and yet the pedal reaches extreme positions. Use VU Meter (not very accurate), Big VU Meter (more accurate) or CC messages (with MDM Raw MIDI Log). When using CC messages and MDM Raw MIDI Log as a guidance you need to achieve such a configuration that CC messages are not sent by MegaDrum in extreme pedal positions.

Don't you mean the high level the pedal should be fully open, not depressed? It seems like you miswrote that? I'm not incredibly clear with what you're trying to convey here, can you be clearer. If the pedal is closed which setting do I change and when fully open what should i change?

Then you continue on

Next screen HiHat Pedal->OpenLvl:
Next screen HiHat Pedal->SOpenLvl:
Next screen HiHat Pedal->SOpenLvl2:
Next screen HiHat Pedal->HOpenLvl:
Next screen HiHat Pedal->HOpenLvl2:
<HiHat Pedal >
OpenLvl: 8

Measured against CC MIDI message value: 0 - for fully open, 127 - for fully closed. Set the level below which HiHat hits registered as open/semi open/emi open2/half open/half open2 hits.

By below, do you mean a slightly greater or smaller number?

Problem: Seems, again, like no matter what I change, the pedal gives a closed sound when fully pressed, Then gives an open sound half way and when pedal is fully open I get a medium closed sound
A. Why can I not get intermediate hh levels even after setting the semi/half open levels?
B. What are the exact midi notes for bow and edge for superior drummer?
c. I got the chick but what is the midi note for the splash?

Please advise, confused.

[dmitri]

Don't you mean the high level the pedal should be fully open, not depressed? It seems like you miswrote that? I'm not incredibly clear with what you're trying to convey here, can you be clearer. If the pedal is closed which setting do I change and when fully open what should i change?

I replaced 'fully depressed' with 'full open (released)' there. It is a level which sets a threshold above which the HiHat is considered to be fully open by MegaDrum.

Then you continue on

Next screen HiHat Pedal->OpenLvl:
Next screen HiHat Pedal->SOpenLvl:
Next screen HiHat Pedal->SOpenLvl2:
Next screen HiHat Pedal->HOpenLvl:
Next screen HiHat Pedal->HOpenLvl2:
<HiHat Pedal >
OpenLvl: 8

Measured against CC MIDI message value: 0 - for fully open, 127 - for fully closed. Set the level below which HiHat hits registered as open/semi open/emi open2/half open/half open2 hits.

By below, do you mean a slightly greater or smaller number?

For HiHat pedal positions MIDI CC 04 with value 0 means fully open and MIDI CC 04 with value 127 means fully closed thus 'below' means 'smaller'. Say you set OpenLvl to 8 and SOpenLevel to 16. If the last MIDI CC 04 value was below 8 (between 0 and 7) then when you hit the HiHat cymbal MegaDrum will use the hit's notes from the HiHat cymbal input Notes as it is considered a fully open HiHat. If the last MIDI CC 04 value was above or equal 8 (OpenLvl) but below 16 (SOpenLlv) then when you hit the HiHat cymbal MegaDrum will use a BowSO/EdgeSO/BellSO note from Pedal's Notes depending on the zone of the HiHat cymbal hit. And so on for all other levels.

Problem: Seems, again, like no matter what I change, the pedal gives a closed sound when fully pressed, Then gives an open sound half way and when pedal is fully open I get a medium closed sound
A. Why can I not get intermediate hh levels even after setting the semi/half open levels?
B. What are the exact midi notes for bow and edge for superior drummer?
c. I got the chick but what is the midi note for the splash?

Please advise, confused.

1. You set Closed level to 61. Closed level should be much closer to 127, say 100.
2. You set HalfOpen/HalfOpen2 level to 50. HalfOpen/HalfOpen2 level should be closer to 70-80, say 70.
3. If you use a drum synth which uses MIDI CC 04 for pedal positions then you set all notes for different pedal positions in Pedal Notes equal to Notes of the HiHat cymbal input. This way the drum synth will take care of using correct sounds based on the last value of MIDI CC 04 when you hit a cymbal.
4. If you use a drum synth which doesn't know how to interpret MIDI CC 04 for pedal positions then you have to set all Pedal Notes for different positions matching drum synth's sounds for those pedal positions.

[dmitri]

Also, if you use a Yamaha HiHat controller then you have to use a crossover cable for connecting this controller to MegaDrum. By default MegaDrum modules come with a HiHat controller jack wiring for Roland HiHat controller polarity - tip for signal, ring for power. Yamaha HiHat controllers use reverse polarity - ring for signal, tip for power.

[hurstaudio1]

I'm still not understanding. Why are there open/semi open/closed levels to configure? You're going to need to be more descriptive. The harder I press on the pedal, the higher the value will be, but you lost me at the 8 and 16. do all the levels need to match each other?

You're telling me to insert the midi note numbers, and I just posed a question asking what those notes were, as I'm merely guessing based on sound. Is there actually a list of these hh notes I can map successfully to mdm, like open/closed sounds for bell, bow and edge. I used notes 12 13 14 15 16 and 17 with 10 for chick. Yes, I'm sure you know superior drummer handles cc4 messages.

I also remember posting a link to the very adapter I got for my hh to make it reverse polarity, here it is again if you didn't catch it before.
https://ramblefxdirect.com/products/1-4 ... ng-adapter

[jarosz]

I'm still not understanding. Why are there open/semi open/closed levels to configure? You're going to need to be more descriptive. The harder I press on the pedal, the higher the value will be, but you lost me at the 8 and 16. do all the levels need to match each other?

MegaDrum can handle hi-hat in two ways. You can only configure CC4 messages (no need for open/semi open etc.) if your VST can handle different pedal positions, but there are synths that can't. This is the second option - you can configure MegaDrum to generate different MIDI notes for different pedal positions. If mapped correctly you don't even need to send CC4 messages to your host.

I've decided to generate MIDI notes even though Addictive Drums can handle CC4 messages. Actually MegaDrum has more pedal positions then AD so open and semi open levels are almost the same (0 and 2). In AD there is no difference between bow and edge for open hi-hat positions, so in my config these notes are the same. There is only bell closed and bell open in AD. In AD there are two sounds of closed hi-hat and I use one of them as a very tight contact, so "closed" position is 126.

[hurstaudio1]

You wrote:

MegaDrum can handle hi-hat in two ways. You can only configure CC4 messages (no need for open/semi open etc.) if your VST can handle different pedal positions, but there are synths that can't. This is the second option - you can configure MegaDrum to generate different MIDI notes for different pedal positions. If mapped correctly you don't even need to send CC4 messages to your host.

This sounded contradictory so let's keep it simple.

Superior drummer supports cc4 messages. That's out of the way. I don't use or know anything about addictive drums. I would think any good vst should support cc4 messages if it is worth its salt. Is AD more popular in England than the US for some reason? Everyone seems to use AD more than SD here and haven't figured out why.

This being said, and trying to judge from your writing, how do I determine what those cc values should be and should I set all the notes in the notes tab of the pedal to 0 if I take this approach? I want chicks at high and low velocities, splashes and decent dynamic range. Does no one have the midi notes for sd? I can't seem to find them so I have only had to do it by ear. AD probably has notes in completely different places. I know superior drummer has zone samples for hh edge and bow and I think bell but how do I access those on the piano roll to get the notes? notes 12 through 17 are different levels of hh openness but I'm guessing it is only for the edge?

Moving the levels up to 40 and above doesn't seem to effect the range of the pedal at all and it's still sounds partially closed when the pedal is open and when the pedal is partially pressed I get an open sound. Surely you guys have had issues like this......what steps do I need to take to get this working correctly, and I know you know what "correctly" means as a drummer.

[dmitri]

You wrote:

MegaDrum can handle hi-hat in two ways. You can only configure CC4 messages (no need for open/semi open etc.) if your VST can handle different pedal positions, but there are synths that can't. This is the second option - you can configure MegaDrum to generate different MIDI notes for different pedal positions. If mapped correctly you don't even need to send CC4 messages to your host.

This sounded contradictory so let's keep it simple.

I'm not really sure what do you mean. What do you find contradictory?

Superior drummer supports cc4 messages. That's out of the way. I don't use or know anything about addictive drums. I would think any good vst should support cc4 messages if it is worth its salt. Is AD more popular in England than the US for some reason? Everyone seems to use AD more than SD here and haven't figured out why.

This being said, and trying to judge from your writing, how do I determine what those cc values should be and should I set all the notes in the notes tab of the pedal to 0 if I take this approach? I want chicks at high and low velocities, splashes and decent dynamic range. Does no one have the midi notes for sd? I can't seem to find them so I have only had to do it by ear. AD probably has notes in completely different places. I know superior drummer has zone samples for hh edge and bow and I think bell but how do I access those on the piano roll to get the notes? notes 12 through 17 are different levels of hh openness but I'm guessing it is only for the edge?

You say you use Superior Drummer and it support CC4 messages so as I wrote before:

3. If you use a drum synth which uses MIDI CC 04 for pedal positions then you set all notes for different pedal positions in Pedal Notes equal to Notes of the HiHat cymbal input. This way the drum synth will take care of using correct sounds based on the last value of MIDI CC 04 when you hit a cymbal.

This means you don't need to care about all Open/SemiOpen/SemiOpen2/HalfOpen/HalfOpen2/Closed Levels in Pedal settings. Provided you set all notes in Pedal Notes settings equal to Notes in HiHat cymbal input settings, Superior Drummer will take care of using HiHat cymbal sound for different pedal positions based on last CC4 message value. You of course still need to set Low and High Levels in Pedal Levels settings and set Chick and Splash notes to something which will not trigger any sounds in Superior Drummer as Superior Drummer will generate Chick/Splash using CC4 messages sent by MegaDrum.

Moving the levels up to 40 and above doesn't seem to effect the range of the pedal at all and it's still sounds partially closed when the pedal is open and when the pedal is partially pressed I get an open sound. Surely you guys have had issues like this......what steps do I need to take to get this working correctly, and I know you know what "correctly" means as a drummer.

You have to configure it in Superior Drummer, of course provided you indeed use CC4 messages in Superior Drummer.

[jarosz]

Superior drummer supports cc4 messages. That's out of the way. I don't use or know anything about addictive drums. I would think any good vst should support cc4 messages if it is worth its salt. Is AD more popular in England than the US for some reason? Everyone seems to use AD more than SD here and haven't figured out why.

I don't know about the US, but for me AD was a lot cheaper. While I was doing my reserach about hi-hat configuration before purchase I found this article: http://www.graysonkilmer.com/2015/09/03 ... -drummer-2 which presents SD configuration as unclear to me.
I have decided to configure levels inside MegaDrum because I wanted it to trigger Yamaha DTXM12 module, which supports only up to 4 pedal positions.

Does no one have the midi notes for sd? I can't seem to find them so I have only had to do it by ear.

I don't know why it's so hard to find. I think this should be covered in the SD manual, but I have no idea if it's there. For sure notes are different in AD.

what steps do I need to take to get this working correctly, and I know you know what "correctly" means as a drummer.

Without the information about the note to sound mapping it seems very daunting. I can only describe a process to succesfully configure AD, but I think it might be irrelevant to SD.

[hurstaudio1]

I actually used that forum post you linked about a year ago configuring my alesis module and already had it bookmarked but wasn't much help.

I tried setting all the notes back to 42 and 43 I think they were, but whether I change them or not makes no difference. In my case, hh note 60 is wide open so i changed that in pad settings. I'm posting a picture of all 4 screens relating to hh and you tell me what I'm doing wrong because I'm at a loss. Have been trying everything.

I am now only getting semi closed hh sound when pedal is pressed. Getting no intermedia semi open sound even though you can see my levels are set far enough apart where I should be able to hear the difference. I set my pedal low level to where it is not sending extra midi messages.

You keep saying it relates to cc4 0 to 127, but some settings are from 0 to 1023? like low and high level value....how does this relate to a different increment? How do I know where to put these different high and low values because they aren't doing anything.

[ignotus]

In the pedal notes section, set all notes the same as the cymbal notes (60) except for chick and splash, which you can leave at 0. Now you have to configure the rest in SD - there's a learn function in the HH articulations list. It's something like 'CC tip trig', 'CC edge trig'... something like that, I can't remember exactly. Press that and hit the corresponding part of the cymbal. SD should now know that that note is modified by the pedal CC messages, so if your high and low levels are set properly it should work.