3 zone cymbal support, Yamaha style. How many of you need it

[elrules]

This is the tutorial I made for an spanish web:
http://portal.batacas.com/index.php?vie ... &Itemid=74
(it is roland style three zones, but it can be converted easily to yamaha style) I post it so you can see a bell switch is easy to do.


There is another guy who, based on my tutorial, made its own bell switch, I think it is also very functional:
http://www.batacas.com/foros/showthread.php?t=41402
You can see here a video showing how good they trigger (bell, edge and choke):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zplaNW9N ... 402&page=2

[dmitri]

elrules, can you test this version with a Yamaha style 3way cymbal?

megadrum32_20081014.zip

On a Head input set DualHead to Yes. NOT 3way!
On an Edge input set Threshold to around 40 - 70
On an Edge input set Type to Switch.
On an Edge input set BNote (Note for Bell. New) to your liking.
On an Edge Input set BThreshold (Threshold for Bell. New) to around 10 - 30.

You may need to play around with Threshold and BThreshold. In my test setup it appears to work with Threshold 18 and BThreshold 55.

[elrules]

Hi dmitri!! I have come back from my trip. I was now updating megadrum to 20081012, and I found a problem with midi note numbers in the LCD, they apear as numbers with arrows (like the ones that appear when setting a parameter value) instead of common note names (C#1, D3, etc). Check that out, maybe it is something you didn´t notice.

I was going to post this issue and I found this post! great you finally came up with a solution for 3zone cymbals. Tomorrow (today is too late to hit pads...) I will test it. Thanks

[dmitri]

Hi dmitri!! I have come back from my trip. I was now updating megadrum to 20081012, and I found a problem with midi note numbers in the LCD, they apear as numbers with arrows (like the ones that appear when setting a parameter value) instead of common note names (C#1, D3, etc). Check that out, maybe it is something you didn´t notice.

I checked it and it shows both note names and numbers. Maybe your upgrade with a bootloader wasn't totally successful.

[elrules]

I checked it and it shows both note names and numbers. Maybe your upgrade with a bootloader wasn't totally successful.

I will check it out...

[elrules]

I have now succesfully updated the module and did a reset to default values.

I applied your settings to the ride input. It didn't work as expected.

This is what I have:
RideB note = 53
RideE note = 51
BNote = 52

When I hit the bow of the cymbal I get a 53 note.
When I hit the bell of the cymbal I get a 52 note, right..
When I hit the edge of the cymbal (which has its switch connected to a 10k resistor) I get a 53 note (the same as bow) and the LCD show the bow bar comin up. I haven't been able to get a 51 note no matter how hard I hit it.

I tried to connect the ride to a different input: the hihat input.
The behavior with the same config is different!!!
I get HihatE note when hitting the bell (that makes sense because the bell switch is the one without resistor), but hitting the edge produces HihatB notes

Did you take into account this diagram? It looks like the normal switch is the bell one and the one connected with a 10k resistor is the edge switch.

I don't understang why it behaves like that. Maybe this information helps you finding it out.

[dmitri]

So, what Threshold settings on the Ride Edge did you try?

[elrules]

Several combinations

Default:
RideB Thr = 20
RideE Thr = 20
BThreshold = 18

The first you said:
RideB Thr = 20
RideE Thr = 50
BThreshold = 18

The other way round:
RideB Thr = 20
RideE Thr = 18
BThreshold = 55

[dmitri]

On the RideE input:
Leave BThreshold at 18.
Set Threshold at 40.
Monitor with MIDI-OX MIDI output. Start increasing Threshold by 1 until you reliably get Aftertouch On/Off messages when you press/release the edge switch.
Once you get reliable Aftertouch On/Off try playing it again.

[elrules]

But in which input should I test it?? I get completely different behaviors as I told you
Which one is the correct behavior?
To get the Edge note when I it the bell of my yamaha (cause its switch is directly connected to jack)?
Or to get the Bell note when I hit the bell? (what doesn't make sense for me as the edge switch of the yamaha is the one different from any others)